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Sploda

What does it feel like to be switched out?

suupeerr late but personally it feels like im watching the fronter; like imagine your tulpas/headmates perspective when u call them to watch what ur doing. personally for me im very aware of everything but that might be because i dont make an effort to really disassociate myself w the body

4:52 AM

if the fronter is, well, fronting, for a long time, then i guess my sense of self can disappear and im more of just a watcher.

im also a bit late but for me i tend to co front most of the time with joe.. but when im fully switched out its just like watching my body being controlled by whoevers fronting! im fully conscious of everything happening and i can easily switch in if something happens that i need to take care of!! it can sort of feel like disassociation i guess- its hard for me to describe

Can one be considered a system with only two individuals

@Sploda - jump even singlets are systems

9:13 AM

system is a term in psychology not specific for plural people

Sploda

What does it feel like to be switched out?

Luminesce: Like being a tulpa, lol (edited)

10:29 AM

You don't take the brain's consciousness and being-plugged-into-the-senses with you, the whole point of switching is your tulpa takes over all that stuff

10:29 AM

So you're just a tulpa in that time

Something strange happened on the plane. I think we co-fronted--let me describe the experience and see if anyone else can chime in, I'm still not sure if this was just the result of only getting 30-ish minutes of sleep. We were practicing switching together, and I think I'm getting closer to being able to get into the required headspace on-demand--Blanka fronted a few times for a few seconds each. The last time we tried, though, she got there, and then the feeling of "blank" and "blanka" started happening at the same time. I'm trying to find the language to describe it--the sense of "me" was both of us at the same time, without a clear boundary, and it wouldn't go away on demand. We checked in on priorities, and her hobbies were present along with mine--my emotional state felt different, too, with some simultaneous fascination (which started to feel like blank after a few minutes) and mild panic (which started to feel like blanka at the same time). We couldn't say "I'm blank" and then have Blanka call back "I'm Blanka." It took a few minutes to split back out. I don't know if this is a specific question, more just "has anyone experienced this before," I suppose--I'm very willing to chalk it up to 30-ish-minutes-of-sleep making things weird, but thought I'd ask the crowd too.

sounds like cofronting and blending

Okay, cool

2:49 PM

glad to know it's at least a phenomenon others have experienced

being switched is just one end of the gradient, there's cofronting and sometimes odd feelings of blending in between

Blanka was not a fan, but I thought it was fascinating

2:50 PM

We're going to keep practicing switching I think but if blending happens again we'll take a break for a bit

it gets better over time

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

it gets better over time

good to know. I'll keep it in mind

and blending will just be slightly annoying instead of something that makes you panic or something

2:51 PM

just an inconvinience

cool beans. It was concerning that I couldn't just "turn it off" immediately, but the fact that it stopped on its own a few minutes later is reassuring

here come the beans

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blank, it sounds to me like you've not only learnt to switch recently, you've also learnt to merge and unmerge too ^w^

Yeah, @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk taught us

2:54 PM

I have a certificate and everything

2:54 PM

literally a few days ago

and also, please notice that you were able to return to your normal state afterwards, proving that it's not something that will change how you are permanently if you don't want it to ^W^

blanka

I have a certificate and everything

hhaha yeh I saw! It seems like it's opened up more opportunities to experiment for you!

I feel fine about it, personally, but Blanka did get a bit freaked out. The fact that it's temporary is very reassuring to her, and is giving her more confidence to try switching again

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

hhaha yeh I saw! It seems like it's opened up more opportunities to experiment for you!

Definitely! It's surreal to watch my arms move on their own. Kinda magical, and I'm excited for Blanka to be able to explore her hobbies "in person" so to speak

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it's all reversible, and either of you can change your preferences over time and have thigns work however suits you ^w^ one of the best things about tulpamancy is that you can often have your cake and eat it

blanka

Definitely! It's surreal to watch my arms move on their own. Kinda magical, and I'm excited for Blanka to be able to explore her hobbies "in person" so to speak

Luminesce: That exact thing would be possession to be clear, you shouldn't be "watching" (tied directly into the senses) when switched per se (edited)

2:56 PM

Unless you consider your tulpa to be experiencing that all the time when not ~switched, anyway.

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

it's all reversible, and either of you can change your preferences over time and have thigns work however suits you ^w^ one of the best things about tulpamancy is that you can often have your cake and eat it

Good way to put it haha

Hard to account for varying experiences

Reisen

Unless you consider your tulpa to be experiencing that all the time when not ~switched, anyway.

Blanka is able to absorb my senses directly--she spends most of her time "in the real world" so to speak

2:57 PM

We don't have a very strong wonderland, never have

2:57 PM

About 80% of the time she's present, I'm imposing her on open-eye vision

2:57 PM

and she reacts directly to sensory experiences I'm having in the moment

Luminesce: (same, but that doesn't mean our experiences have to be the same anyway) (edited)

2:58 PM

Same except to the last sentence

2:58 PM

My tulpas are only aware of the senses, but not tied into them, so don't react to strong sensations like the one switched in does

Definitely. I've noticed that is generally rare

Reisen

My tulpas are only aware of the senses, but not tied into them, so don't react to strong sensations like the one switched in does

Interesting. She has to "tap in" so to speak but she is capable of doing so whenever she wants--I sometimes invite her to take a look if we're talking about something else

hello how are you people

3:01 PM

it feels like I'm fronting but at the same time not is this normal?

Luminesce: Normal to say, sure, but normal as in good, no (edited)

feel's like the host became me instead

Reisen

Luminesce: That exact thing would be possession to be clear, you shouldn't be "watching" (tied directly into the senses) when switched per se (edited)

@blanka what lumi meant is that there are other ways you can experience it, not that you "should" or "shouldn't" do something because it's "wrong"

I think this was her first time on a plane so I told her to focus on the gut feelings and she found them fun lol

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Normal to say, sure, but normal as in good, no

also I don't have the wifi password yet and my phone is saying I have "5G+" so I apologize if I disappear for a minute and then all my messages appear at once

really

I'm here

Luminesce: Practice good switching hygiene, use affirmations to be clear about who's currently switched in and who's not (edited)

3:02 PM

Doesn't help anyone to be messy about this stuff

it does not feel like I turned into you

wane ・💤🧠 ↩️

Reply to: feel's like the host became me instead

Reisen

Luminesce: Practice good switching hygiene, use affirmations to be clear about who's currently switched in and who's not (edited)

"switching hygiene" is a great phrase

it feels blurry

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Doesn't help anyone to be messy about this stuff

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

@blanka what lumi meant is that there are other ways you can experience it, not that you "should" or "shouldn't" do something because it's "wrong"

If your experience is different enough it no longer fits the definition, it's not the same thing anymore

the body feels different when I use it

Luminesce: Switching is defined by the host becoming detached from the senses/"brain's driver's seat" and being in a tulpa-like/equivalent state (edited)

and his normal personality are gone, maybe because I'm not him

3:05 PM

it feels like he's in that state yeah

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Switching is defined by becoming detached from the senses/"brain's driver's seat" and being in a tul…

Luminesce: Well, you guys shape the experience, so decide on something that makes sense/is desirable and "enforce" that (edited)

ok

Randomly blending or otherwise having poor "switching hygiene" is just potentially bad for your mental health

I think I'ma have to switch back soon

3:05 PM

he has to go do some stuff

3:06 PM

I agree

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Randomly blending or otherwise having poor "switching hygiene" is just potentially bad for your ment…

Luminesce: Basically, if you think you're switched, reaffirm that you're the one switched in and that your host is switched out. (edited)

I was forced into this force, well not really I was interested too the host always puppy eyes me

Try not to let it be blurry

well I guess the body carries his horrible Grammer

HEY

3:07 PM

wdym

Most (but not necessarily all) habits transfer, yeah

it's funny

Luminesce: Though you can carve out your own habits and thought patterns in the brain when switched. (edited)

ill try to do that

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Basically, if you think you're switched, reaffirm that you're the one switched in and that your host…

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3:07 PM

yes

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Though you can carve out your own habits and thought patterns in the brain when switched.

3:08 PM

like I'm telling you the body feels so different I don't know

3:08 PM

everything feels so different

Luminesce: Experiences like these aren't automatically one thing or another, how you think about them defines them. (edited)

like I felt a sudden change in the body somehow

That's why I'm saying to decide-and-be-sure about things, rather than float around aimlessly

yup

Identity issues and dissociation are not healthy

it's kinda funny thinking of the host currently as a tulpa

Luminesce: Definitely (edited)

3:09 PM

My tulpas sometimes impose me when switched :P

how does it feel I want to be imposed

I mean as always, it's the same experience as it is for the tulpas of the system

the host has both of those it's a little bit funny how ironic this is

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Identity issues and dissociation are not healthy

Reisen

Luminesce: Switching is defined by the host becoming detached from the senses/"brain's driver's seat" and being in a tulpa-like/equivalent state (edited)

defining something and putting distinctions is a choice - and you enforcing that on someone else is your choice, too a lot of people in the community don't put a distinction between possession and switching i don't think there is a place for "should/shouldn't" in a conversation like this, it's fine to talk about ideas and different perspectives, but if you say "this is not X", it can slow down the progress

Luminesce: I disagree, your label-un-defining eventually leads to the inability to give any guidance whatsoever (edited)

not at all

3:11 PM

have you ever tried it?

3:11 PM

guide without it?

Luminesce: We defined all these experiences based on what people experienced and generally agreed were desirable, to create guidelines for shaping infinite-possible-experience into agreed-upon desirable experiences (edited)

they say "the person in the front make the say" so Blaff has wanted to talk sometimes and I'm like no because it isn't like the conversation

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: I mean as always, it's the same experience as it is for the tulpas of the system